Thursday, March 20, 2008

The intellect versus the visceral

Millions of Americans, and certainly the media commentariat, were bedazzled by Barack Obama's eloquent and gutsy plea for racial reconciliation. Forty-eight hours later, however, it's time to return to the nuts and bolts world of practical politics - as distasteful as this exercise may be - and ask whether his speech has erased the questions voters might have concerning his relationship with the Rev. Jerimiah Wright. Is he in the clear, or not?

Not.

Ideally, from Obama's perspective, his speech would be read in its entirety by one and all, thereby magically transforming our civic dialogue and human nature itself. Americans of all racial and ideological persuasions would suddenly rise above their basest petty suspicions and march together on the high road. Our politicians would travel that path as well, aiming their messages at the intellect, not the gut.

But here in the real world, where the 17th-century English philosopher Thomas Hobbes once ruminated about the "nasty, brutish" nature of our species; a world where journalists are expected to probe rather than swoon; a world where many voters will always be guided by their visceral instincts, certain nagging questions about the Obama-Wright connection still remain:

1. Why did Obama wait until his speech to admit that, yes, he had indeed heard Wright utter incendiary remarks during church sermons - after previously claiming that he had not heard anything of the sort? Why is he now characterizing certain Wright remarks as inflammatory and even ignorant, whereas, in Ohio earlier this month, he said that "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial"? These questions go to the issue of credibility.

2. What specific incendiary remarks did he personally listen to, and did he ever make it clear to Wright or other church leaders that those remarks were inappropriate or worse? What provocative comments, uttered when he was not in attendance, did he nevertheless learn about, and did he lodge any private protests against them? As an influential Illinois political leader, did he ever share any concerns with fellow congregants? These questions go to the issues of character, judgment, and leadership.

Obama did explain, at some length in his speech the other day, that Wright's rhetorical excesses should be viewed in a broader context, as the bitter utterances of an African American who grew to manhood at a time when whites were systematically relegating blacks to second-class status. It was a worthy argument. However, a lot of white working-class voters will not embrace that argument; fairly or not, a lot of them don't want to hear anymore about how blacks were suppressed in the past. Obama's argument may play well with highly-educated white liberals in the Philadelphia suburbs - but not with lunch-bucket whites in northeast Philadelphia and in the downtrodden towns that are the swing battlegrounds in the April 22 Pennsylvania primary. That's just reality.

His full speech text was an appeal to the intellect, but the short-hand version of this affair packs a visceral punch. Some voters will simply reduce it all to a few sentences: Why didn't Obama, upon hearing something vile or hateful, simply get up and walk out? How could Obama stick by a reverend who stands in the pulpit and says "God damn America?"

(Dick Morris, the ex-Clinton pollster, suggested the other day that Obama stuck with Wright for old fashioned earthbound political reasons: "Because he's a black Chicago politician who comes from a mixed marriage and went to Columbia and Harvard. Suspected of not being black enough or sufficiently tied to the minority community, he needed the networking opportunities Wright afforded him in his church to get elected. If he had not risen to the top of Chicago black politics, we would never have heard of him. But obviously, he can't say that.")

Anyway, I suspect that these questions will also be a concern for many Jewish voters, particularly those who are strong supporters of Israel and who are now aware that Wright once accused Israel of practicing "state terrorism against the Palestianians." Jewish voters may not be particularly numerous - just three or four percent of the national electorate - but they are highly concentrated in the big electoral states, and they are loyal Democratic donors. They will also vote heavily in Philadelphia and its suburbs on April 22 - the region where Obama needs overwhelming support.

Obviously, they're not all obsessed with Israel. My point is that, if Obama has any hopes of winning Pennsylvania, or blunting Hillary Clinton's victory margin, he can ill afford any erosion in the populous southeastern corner of the state. And it's worth noting that, according to the exit polls thus far, Clinton has bested Obama among Jewish voters, 52 to 46 percent.

William Galston, a longtime Democratic activist/scholar who likes Obama, nevertheless addressed Jewish concerns in an online commentary the other day: "I attend a small synagogue in Washington D.C. When my rabbi says something controversial, the entire congregation quickly learns about it. Members who are offended do not remain silent. They often reprove him. Some threaten to leave unless he apologizes and changes course. A few have left to join other congregations...Successful leaders must know when to draw lines and say no. They must accept that, as they do so, they will leave some people out and make enemies...I do not believe Senator Obama yet understands how questionable (his refusal to reject Wright) appears to many Americans..."

All told, Galston wrote, these nagging concerns "present a window on his character and help us judge what kind of president he would be." And the problem for Obama is that there are few other windows available. He is so new to the national scene, and still such a blank slate to so many low-information voters, that an issue this visceral becomes all the more magnified. His words on Tuesday were magnificient, but one speech can't remake the world.

171 comments:

bacalove said...

In Clinton's scheme to try to make Obama unelectable to the superdelegates, she has her own skeletons in teh closet...

It's starting to look like Hillary might have a religious issue of her own that is a lot more sinister than Obama's:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html

Homer said...

Yes, there is still the question of why Obama stayed in that church for so long. However, we do not know what he heard in sermons. Please note that he did not say that he heard "incendiary" remarks, only "controversial" remarks.

Obama did say that Wright never similar crazy statements in their conversations. Maybe he should have protested publicly or resigned from this church, but there's nothing he can do about that now.

homer www.altara.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

I think the U.S. has sponsored state terrorism on the part of Israel. Didn't the Bush administration sit on its hands while Israel invaded and bombed Lebanon for two weeks?

Pradeep Srivastava said...

I would like to see Hillary poke holes in Obama's so-called historic speech of 03/18/08 and not let the Rev. Wright issue fall by the wayside, for that's precisely what Obama was trying to do with his speech. I fail to see how Obama, even if he wins the Democratic nomination, can defeat McCain in the general election with the Rev. Wright baggage that he is saddled with. She has to convince the voters that the speech was a political speech, as historic as it may appear to be, with the sole purpose of re-gaining the support of white voters. She also has to keep telling the voters that he lacks good judgment, which he constantly brags about with respect to Iraq war, in that he failed to disown Rev. Wright, despite his unpatriotic and racist tendencies; he continued his relationship with Tony Rezko, knowing fully well that he was a shady character; he lied about his economic adviser's meeting with the Canadian government with respect to Nafta; and that his foreign affairs adviser says that withdrawal of Iraq troops will be contingent upon the conditions on the ground, while he claims that he will start withdrawing the troops right away. In summary, Obama is saddled with "Wrightgate", "Naftagate", and "Iraqgate" and Nixon had to resign when he was found to be involved with just one "Gate"---"Watergate"!

The following is what I think about Obama's 03/18/08 speech:
"http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/the-early-word-clinton-documents-to-be-released/#comments

40.
March 19th,
2008
10:47 am
Obama’s Philadelphia speech was well-written and well-delivered, but it was still a political speech, delivered by a politician, with a political motive, and based on political calculations, although it sounded more like a sermon or a college lecture or a civil rights activist speech than a political speech. Contrary to the claims made by Obama worshipers, it wasn’t a historic speech of the caliber of “I have a dream ” speech of Martin Luther King, Jr. or Gettysburg Speech of Abraham Lincoln. The speech raised more questions than answered them. First, why does Rev Wright give political speeches as a part of sermon? I don’t care if other churches also indulge in this practice. What’s wrong is wrong! Politics has no place in a place of worship! What happened to the wall of separation between the church and the state? As a matter of fact, a church, indulging in politics, is liable to lose its tax-exempt status, according to IRS rules. Second, if Obama knew that Mr. Wright uses objectionable language or indulges in hateful, racist and unpatriotic speeches, why didn’t he simply leave that church? I would never attend a place of worship that has political agenda or indulges in hateful, racist or unpatriotic speeches! And, I am not even running for an office! Obama used poor judgment when he decided to stick with Mr. Wright, despite his obvious, glaring and intolerable flaws! And, he is the guy who brags about having good judgment! I am sure he is fooling a lot of people with his silver tongue, but he sure, as heck, isn’t fooling me! His defense of Mr. Wright’s indefensible conduct was offensive! Third, by giving a speech that dwelled more on race issues than anything else, he can no longer claim that he is a transformative candidate who is post-racial, transcending race and other barriers. Fourth, it’s very obvious that he has more affinity for blacks than whites or people of other races. How else, can he explain that he decided to marry a black woman and insists on attending a black church run by a pastor who gives racist, hateful and unpatriotic speeches? I read somewhere that unlike his father, who married a white woman, he always wanted to marry a black woman. And, there is nothing wrong with that, for that’s his personal decision, but I have trouble believing that he is post-racial at heart. And that means that if he becomes president, he may focus more on black issues than other issues and that will be unfair, for a president is supposed to look out for the interests of the entire population, irrespective of race, gender, color or creed. Fifth, it’s very obvious that he decided to give this speech because he thought, correctly, that he will lose a lot of white votes if the media continues to play the clips of Mr. Wright’s incendiary, racist, and unpatriotic speeches. If that’s true, why didn’t he just address Mr. Wright’s speeches and distnce himself from them by giving us a 10 minute speech, instead of lecturing us for 45 minutes, telling us about the problems we are all aware of? I suspect he found an opportunity and used it to give his stump speech not only at the national level, but also, at the international level. And our media just sucked it up! Talk about political genius! Move over, Karl Rove! Sixth, the speech was inteneded to boost his poll ratings, but it also has a potential to backfire, for American people are not dumb and just as I can smell politics in speeches given by politicians, I am sure there are plenty of people who know politicians well enough not to be hoodwinked by them. I am not sure I can say the same about the media, however, for the media does tend to fall for charm, charisma, and showiness, for that makes news more interesting to cover and improves the all-important ratings.
— Posted by Pradeep Srivastava "

Anonymous said...

dick-for obama to sit and holla and hallauah in church for 20 years and to have his family listen to that hateful racist preacher that is a problem,i think obama is a closet racist and has a inner hate for white people,i had planned to vote for obama but not now!
posted by lonewolf

Anonymous said...

Prasleep:

Just a bit of advice for the campaign drone bees - no one reads the super long posts. Condense, idiots. No one's gonna take ten minutes to read a longwinded post written by a total stranger.

jss said...

huh? a closet racist? So he hates his mother?
You are insane.
Do you all think that Wright stands up there every single Sunday and says things like that?
I am Catholic, go to church...even though I do not believe in everything I hear from the Priest or beleive in all Catholic dogma....I go back for my own spiritual well being. And sometimes i get up and walk out when the preist or a speaker starts spouting off about Abortion...but I go back.
To say that Obama believes in all this stuff is crap.
And the people who are not letting this go are either racist or perpetuating a non issue for the candidate of their choice.

GO OBAMA !!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Well written article Dick. The question is can white America handle the negative feelings that are sometimes there in the black community. For Obama that is what things have come down to....Can we handle the honest and even brutal feelings that are there?

robo

Anonymous said...

Florida's Democratic officials have already said the state will not hold another primary election. This means that Hillary is done. If Hillary wins PA, Obama will again maintain his lead with a likely win in North Carolina. It will come down to whether the superdelegates will be willing to go against a candidate who has won the popular vote and more delegates.

mr. white said...

Robo said: "The question is can white America handle the negative feelings that are sometimes there in the black community."

What a racist post. Gee robo, you think us whities will be able to stomach the hate within the black community enough to vote for one of "them"?

Anonymous said...

Obama failed to explain why he stayed with Wright for 20 years and why he took his young daughters to hear those sermons! He tried to dance around it with a nice speech but it didn't work!
First he said that he hadn't heard those sermons and during his recent speech he said that he had! He says "Words Matter!" But O guess when it is convenient for Obama!!

Anonymous said...

from CNN.com, 3/19/08:

"A new Gallup poll showed apparent Republican presidential nominee John McCain leading both Democrats, a sign Clinton and Obama's continued back-and-forth is benefiting the Arizona senator. McCain holds a 4 point lead over Obama (47-43 percent) and 3 point lead over Clinton (48-45 percent). That poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percentage points."

Anonymous said...

NoBama! He is a fraud! Those videos with Obama watching Pastor Wright and his hate speech are going to come out!

Anonymous said...

Wow, are these posts from Democrats?
Clearly you could all benefit from the type of educational reform and unity Sen. Obama would offer. If you support Sen. Clinton, be happy with your candidate. Let her articulate what she's going to do instead of smearing Sen. Obama as a drug dealer, a secret muslim "as far as I know", unqualified to be president yet qualified to be VP....If those are the kind of tactics that you approve of...You should vote GOP. What happened to beating the Republicans? What happened to liking both candidates but liking your candidate just a bit better. That is the problem with the Democratic Party... This is all just giving the GOP a victory. Take your petty hatred and ignorance somewhere else. You think the Republicans want to run against Obama? Well you just wait and see if Hillary wins the nomination. Republicans hate Hillary like fanatic muslims hate the danish....

Anonymous said...

RASMUSSEN POLL: McCain Now Leads By Double Digits:
McCain 51% Clinton 41%
McCain 49% Obama 42%

REMEMBER WHO WE HAVE TO BEAT....

Anonymous said...

You think turn is great for the Democrats this year?
If Sen. Clinton gets the nomination you are going to see Republican turn out like never before and once again the Democrats with an Unpopular war, A Stagnant Economy will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory....
THE CLINTONS ALWAYS FEEL YOUR PAIN, UNLESS OF COURSE THEY ARE THE ONES CAUSING IT.....

Anonymous said...

anon 2:01,

Hmmmm. CBS has a poll today that states:

Obama is still the leader in the head to head match up with John McCain. Obama has 48% to McCain's 43%. Senator Clinton has 46% while McCain has 44%.


Why don't you all get your horoscopes done and then tell me who will win....It's about as relevant.

Anonymous said...

I see Lanny Davis is taking the high road...
Unbelievable...

Chris said...

I don't see it, Dick.

Should Obama also lodge formal statements disagreeing with parts of the Bible or of Christian history that are unsavory? Should Roman Catholic politicians be required to make political statements in response to papal encyclicals or the tradition of Catholic social teaching?

Just because you attend a church that has a minister speaking certain things, that has a Holy Book containing certain things, that comes from a tradition that has taught and done certain things, does not mean that you need to own or disavow everything that the congregation or religious tradition or Holy Book stands for. Give me a break.

Being in a religious community and within a religious tradition does not require complete fealty to the words spoken within that community or to its leaders. Should Obama now attend a church where only poll-tested party-line words are spoken from the pulpit? Yeah, that would be good.

Anonymous said...

Hillary is unfit to be President of the USA

I am an African America Female who left America with my three children in l986 to live and work overseas. I am an educator and support the military families whose duty stations are at Ramstein Air Force Base, Kaiserslautern, and Landstuhl, Germany. My specific location is where the Landstuhl Regional Medical Hospital is located. This hospital receives the injured GIs, as well as fatalities from Iraq, Afghanistan and other locations throughout Europe and the designated war zones. On a daily basis, I witness approximately 3-4 Red Cross busses with injured GIs from the war. On a weekly basis, I witness several hearses with dead bodies that are brought to the mortuary. I live and work in an environment where young children are left behind, because their parents are deployed to the war zones. I work in an environment where all that I see are Americans wearing military uniforms. In fact, at one time my son was in the Air Force and was assigned to combat duty in the Dessert Storm War. On some days, the site of the injured GIs, the sad young children whose parents are deployed, the absence or presence of my three adult children in the states, and the strict checkpoints at all bases throughout Europe, causes me to have severe waves of sadness and despair. To me, Hillary Clinton is a large contributor of the war. She used poor judgment and voted for the war. Hillary can be with her daughter, at any time. The military people who are deployed cannot be with their children and loved ones. I cannot be with my children and family support system in the states. To me, Hillary is unfit to be the President of the United States. She disguises herself like a star, shining with fake promises. How could any American citizen vote for a leader who uses Gestapo practices against an outstanding, brilliant minority person who is admired, respected by not only a large majority of people in the United States, but by people and others throughout the world. To me, Hillary's negative tactics against Obama shows signs of racism. She has no regards for his image, as a minority person, nor does she has any regards for the millions of minority citizens and others who support him. I spend at least several hours per day reading the blogs online. Many of them show hundreds of negative statements against Hillary and her potential leadership. If Hillary is elected to be the Democratic Presidential nominee, rest assures she will not get the African/Black Americans support. The Republicans will win again and with the votes of the African/Black Americans. If Hillary is given the choice to be the Democratic Presidential Nominee, the African/Black Americans will probably break away from the Democratic Party and support the Independent Party instead. To me, Hillary is a thief, a liar, and a con artist. She is a disgrace and an embarrassment to our country and government. To me, Bill Clinton is a manipulator and a whore with no respect to the rights of vulnerable women. He abused his position as president of the United States to advantage his sexual desires. He abused his position as president of the United States to gain wealth. Both Bill Clinton and Hillary claim they have supported the African/Black Americans. This may be true. The only support that I have seen evidence of is the drug epidemic in the predominately black neighborhoods and communities. The other support that they have given to the African/Black Americans are with the prison system. Acts of genocide continue to occur against African/Black Americans. Please Mr. & Mrs. Clinton states your experience and support to stop the drugs in the African/Black American neighborhoods. Please Mr. & Mrs. Clinton, take a visit to the prison and you will see our husbands, sons, daughters and loved ones caged up like animals, while you lie about the support you have given us. The Clinton should never enter the White House again, nor should they ever consider being leaders of our country. Hillary would sell her own Soul! And yours!!, to become President. All shown in her actions, and lies.

Someone who wishes Hillary would go away IMMEDIATELY! Since she believes the people of Ohio loves her so much, she should go to be with them. You folks in Pennsylvania, take Hillary and contamidate your beautiful state with her poisonous lies and conceit.

Landstuhl, Germany
The Heartbeat of the Injured GIs from Iraq and Afghanistan
Thanks to Hillary's vote for the war

atp2007 said...

Good Lord, this time the Swiftboating is starting even before the nomination. The McCains would love nothing better than to get Obama out of the race now so he can run against Hillary, a race which would put all the new and young voters and progressives to sleep. Do I realy care what parish a person belonds to? I left my last parish because I did not fully agree with their positions on several issues. Since it is impossible to find a parish with which I agree 100% with their preaching, I have never joined another. If I can't vote for any candidate who belongs to a congregation that I disagree with, then I can not vote for any candidate who attends church at all.

Anonymous said...

dick-have you seen the polls,the titanic i mean the obama campaign is in big trouble,he played with the devil and got burned,i planned on voting for obama but now i have to vote for that goddamn Hillary Clinton.
posted by lonewolf

Anonymous said...

The Politico: Rezko role bigger than admitted

The Politico: Obama once visited '60s radicals

New York Times, 9/11/01: No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives

Anonymous said...

The most recent Gallup Poll shows Hillary ahead of Obama among Dem Voters. The National Survey taken between Mar 14 to 18 shows: HRC at 49% with Obama at 42%

This was the period when the Wright video's hit the internet and include the time of Obama's Speech on race.

IT IS A VERY BIG CHANGE! The obvious conclusion is the Wright video's caused Obama alot of damage and the speech didn't stop the bleeding.

Now the picture gets worse. What happens if Hillary carries numbers like this into the convention. What happens if Hillary still is short delegats, What happens if she is very close on popular vote.

It still is incredible that Florida and Michigan won't be counted. Now what do the SuperDelegates do.

Obama is damaged goods in the post Wright world. If the poll numbers aren't with him who gets the nomination?

Ok Dick there is a question for you.

Meanwhile McCain is ahead of both Obama and Hillary.

psv said...

Tuskegee Study
There is historic context to Rev. Wright's sermons. Keep in mind this was a black church and the audience was black people, not white people.

On the flipside, I don't know why McCain needed to denounce Hagee, either. There's a very protracted historic context to his comments as well.

Finally, for all the roman catholics: why do you still go to mass when the roman catholic church has spent nearly a billion dollars in these sex scandals? Why support a church that has been actively hiding criminals? You all have your legitimate reasons, and that's all that matters.

In any event, I suspect that this speech will be the end of Obama's campaign, depending on how the whole superdelegate issue plays out. It appears Michigan and Florida's delegates are stuck in limbo, and the primaries will not be redone.

While the speech was fantastic, this is not a country that is moved by rhetoric. It's a visceral country. That's why Bush is in office (for eight years) and why he hasn't been impeached.

If and/or when Clinton gets the nod, she'll be thoroughly throttled in November. She not only has baggage, but she's been adamant about not releasing her financial statements and! the recently released documents in the Clinton library do not put her in a favorable light at the least. She's painted herself into a corner as an 'experience' candidate and has compared herself against McCain, who has several decades of government experience (that isn't cheerleading - see released documents) and is a war veteran. And this kitchen sink behavior means anything goes - and her baggage is going not only doom her chances but tarnish the Clinton legacy.

The Democrat Party - ruining their chances since 2000.

Anonymous said...

dick-1)the obama people are really starting to make excuses blah,blah,blah,2)the liberal media is not going to tell the american people who to vote for,3)obama is damaged goods,4)looks like it going to be that goddamn Hillary Clinton.
5)posted by lonewolf

Anonymous said...

Obama's theatrical "words" on race - and his "actions":

1. Continue to expose his children to racist and hate mongering sitting in a racist church

2. Continue to fund a racist and hate mongering organization

3. Continue tie with racist hate mongers other wise he will lose "vote". A needed "political" step

4. Try to make other feel guilty for his "bad judgement" and tell others "we are all racist". But we did not fund a racist organization for 20 years

5. He could not get time to visit his dying mother, put his grand mother under racist bus yesterday, but saved Wright to save his black votes

Anonymous said...

Senator Obama has funded hate message for 20 years and continue to do so.

Senator Obama has embraced a racist hate monger for 20 years and called him inspiration & uncle.

What did we do for him to lecture us as if we are racist?

If he asks others to elevate above some invisible racism, why does he not stop his funding of hate message?

He is afraid he will loose black vote if he does that.

It's just politics

Anonymous said...

1995: Lonely hospital room in Hwawaii

Ann Soetoro has been diagnosed with cancer. It is a painful disease, but if there is one good thing about cancer, it gives you time to see those you want to see at least once for the last time. It gives those who care about you to be by your bedside and spend some valuable time during the last day.

Everybody has come by to visit, but pearl of her eye has not been able to make it yet.

He is busy with voter registration in Illinois. He will probably run from that district in near future. Something she always wanted.

But still a dying mother wants to see her son for the last time. Unfortunately it is not going to happen.

Ann Soetoro will die without having her son beside her bed.

A heart of stone.

Anonymous said...

1996: A Quiet Room in Chicago Board of Election Commission

Tears roll down Senator Alice Palmer’s face, he can not believe, people will not have any say in who should be there representative if Barack has his way.

Since morning of day after New year in the year 1996, Barack’s legal peoples have been going through each and every petition and finding some legal ground to force Barack’s rival off the ballot.

Sen. Alice Palmer, the longtime progressive activist from the city’s South Side. It is true he does not have the same qualification as Barack, but people love him. They should have some say who they want as their representative, not Barack’s legal klan.
Fresh from his work as a civil rights lawyer and head of a voter registration project that expanded access to the ballot box, Obama launched his first campaign for the Illinois Senate saying he wanted to empower disenfranchised citizens.
A close examination of Obama’s first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it.
A merciless soul.

Anonymous said...

2003: Grim faced US Senator Marson Blair Hull looks at the mirror, what will his two grand children will see when they look at his face, just a wife abuser

US Senate Marson Blair Hull was heavily favored to defeat Obama in that primary. But Hull's campaign was torpedoed by a barrage of well timed media charges that he had abused his former wife. Hull was therefore obliged to drop out of the race.

Blair has worked very hard through out his life to become a prominent American. He earned his Bachelor of Arts degree in mathematics from the University of California, Santa Barbara, his MBA from Santa Clara University and graduated from the Harvard OPM Program. He is the founder and CEO of the Hull Group, an equity option market making firm that was sold to Goldman Sachs. He is currently chairman and chief executive officer of Matlock Capital a family office.
A month before the primary elections a news story broke out regarding his divorce from his ex-wife. She had sought a restraining order against him during their divorce in 1998. Hull tried to keep the divorce records sealed, but pressure from journalists and his “opposing candidates” forced him to release them.
The papers “claimed” that his ex-wife alleged that during a physical fight between them he had threatened to kill her, this led to his arrest for battery, however “no charges were ever filed”. It was just a bad argument with his wife.
The father of four grown children and two grandchildren had to make a decision. He decided not to drag his family through more mud throw at him from Obama.

Obama wins democratic nomination to run against Republican Jack Ryan.

Cry from the heart of a child can not expect any mercy from him.

Anonymous said...

2004: Jack can not imagine what his nine year old son will have to go through at school from this point on. Jeri and he talked last night, it was best for him to drop out

After eliminating democrat Blair, Obama still had to face his Republican opponent Jack Ryan. Ryan had divorced his wife Jeri in 1999. The case was sealed at their mutual request as they wanted to bring up their son together and not expose to their past.

Suddenly the Chicago Tribune and WLS television began undertaking mighty exertions to get these divorce records made public, even though they involved a dispute about child custody. On June 22, 2004, Los Angeles Superior Court judge Robert Schneider released the court documents in question. They revealed an accusation by Jeri Ryan against her husband, now Obama's political competitor, to the effect that Jack Ryan had induced her to frequent sex clubs in a number of locations.

Judge Schnider's decision was very extraordinary because it was made in the face of the direct opposition by both parties to the divorce, and bore on a Family Court matter that is normally kept vigorously secret.

It was as if some totalitarian invisible hand were intervening in favor of the beleaguered Obama candidacy. At this point Jack Ryan was compelled to abandon his candidacy at the urging of Dennis Hastert, then Speaker of the House.

Obama won his current US Senate seat.

Cry from the heart of a child can not expect any mercy from him.

Anonymous said...

2008: Bill Clinton can not believe his “fairly tale” comment regarding Obama’s “Iraq action” has been interpreted as racist

Fairy tale comment was regarding Obama’s Iraq flip flop.

Oct. 2, 2002, at an anti-war rally in downtown Chicago. Obama said: "I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences."

2003: Obama- takes down 2002 speech from his website as he starts to run for US Senate. Iraq war looks successful

July 2004, Obama argued that America had an "absolute obligation" to stay in Iraq until the country stabilized. "The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster," he said. "It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died."

June 2006, Obama still opposed "a date certain for the total withdrawal of U.S. troops." "I don't think it's appropriate for Congress," he said, "to make those decisions about what happens in the field."

By late 2006, as public support for the Iraq War disintegrated and his own political ambitions quickened, Obama called for a "phased withdrawal." When Bush announced the surge, Obama saw nothing in the plan that would "make a significant dent in the sectarian violence that's taking place there" -- a lapse in his prophetic powers.

2006- 2007 – As US Senator, Obama continues fund Iraq war

Feb. 10, 2007, he stated, "I have a plan that will bring our combat troops home by March of 2008." Then in May and again in November, he voted against funding American forces in Iraq


March 12, 2008: Obama’s senior foreign policy adviser Samantha Power: "He will, of course, not rely on some plan that he's crafted as a presidential candidate or a U.S. senator. He will rely upon a plan -- an operational plan -- that he pulls together in consultation with people who are on the ground."

Bill should have seen the evil that was lurking behind the golden tongue

Obama, a slick nasty politician at best.

Two faced satanic soul at worst

Anonymous said...

God, I can't wait for the Pennsylvania primary to end so we can rid ourselves of the B.S. that continues to be posted on this board.

Anonymous said...

Wow that's a really long thought triple post...I thought everyone on here was basically a Hillary Supporter. I didn't realize there were also some MCSAME supporters....

Anonymous said...

This "scandal" is manufactured and frivolous. If it wasn't Obama's pastor, it would have been some other nonsense. On the 5 year anniversary of the Iraq invasion, here we are immersed in another instance of endless campaign bullshit. I'm done with this board until this fall. Have at it, losers!

independent voter said...

Hillary said, “If the most important thing to any of you is choosing someone who did not cast that vote or has said his vote was a mistake, then there are others to choose from."

Anonymous said...

dick-the tide is turning and the obama faithful can't take heat, then get out of the goddamn kitchen!
posted by lonewolf

viva la capitalism said...

Where are the &%$&%$# regulars? I'm sick of carpetbaggers!!! Although Pradeep kinda grows on ya.

P.S. Has anyone ever seen yobill and Philly Joe in the same room at the same time?

James L said...

I haven't read Obama's speech. I didn't need to. I totally understand the polarization between the white's and blacks in this country. I don't care what Obama's preacher says. It's what Obama says and believes that is important. I failed to see why white people should be scared of a man that is half white and half black.

The struggles in this country are based more on rich vs. poor rather than white vs. black. This racism thing is a tool of established (rich)people to keep the poor (and middle class) fighting against each other. I thought things were gettting better and people as a whole were beginning to wise up but it looks like it's not much different than it always has been. The rich people keep getting richer and all the rest of us do is fight about non-important matters like race.

Get over it people! Why do you think a black man is only going to help black people? I mean, how would he accompllish this? If he helps the poor and middle class he's going to benefit a lot more white people than black people because there are FAR MORE white people!

Get this through your heads! A vote for Hilary or John McCain is more likely to continue the status quo than to help you. If you want someone who cares about the poor and middle class, vote for Obama.

Anonymous said...

paul-why would anyone think white people are 'scared of black people'who cares if obama is black and white,does that mean obama is 'scared' of his self-to james l what a stupid comment,you get over it obama is damaged goods because of his preacherman and thanks to the rev.he just helped goddamn Hillary Clinton into the whitehouse.
posted by lonewolf

tom - wilmington, de said...

Like when, on WIP this morning, Obama said that his grandmother, when she sees a young black man walking toward her on the street, has the typical white person reaction, that it is inbred in her like all white people. YES....not any racial profiling in there? Suppose I said "I get nervous because of the way the typical young black is these days"...I would be branded a racist. But not Barack....he is on a higher plane than the rest of us. All intellect, nothing visceral.

And how about linking his pastor and Ferraro. She is pissed. Apparently she thinks Obama was saying what his pastor said was along the same lines as what she had said.

ATP....that is the point. You quit your parish...Obama not only stayed, but embraced the man making the derogatory and inflammatory remarks. See the difference?

Anonymous said...

I would like to direct a question (respectfully) to any Catholic reader who believes that Obama should have left his church: did any of you leave your church when you learned that members of the hierarchy were moving child molesters from parish to parish? I know that some people did, but I suspect that most did not.

I imagine that some people will say that if his or her individual parish priest was not involved, that the comparison does not hold, but that is simply false. If Obama can be judged negatively for choosing to affiliate with an alleged "race and America" hater, it is logical for Catholics to be judged negatively for continuing to affiliate with an organization that covered up a series of heinous crimes and put children at risk, over and over and over again. Jeremiah Wright NEVER did anything of the sort.

For the record, I do NOT judge Catholics in this way -- I know how horrified all right-thinking people were about the scandal -- but neither do I judge Obama for his continued membership in the church. As with the Catholic Church, Obama's minister is more than the sum of his most scandalous parts, but I'm not sure how many people see it that way. I guess I just think that in times like these, we should recognize the glass houses that we ourselves occupy.

Anonymous said...

dick-obama threw his white grandmama under the bus to save his black preacherman.
if you had a choice of colors which one would you choose my brothers,if there was no day or night which one would be right-great song by by curtis mayfield.
posted by goddamn lonewolf

Anonymous said...

I'm glad that a Black man is running for President so that we can see how deep the racial divide is in America. This blog has become a perfect example of the hatred that exists amongst the races. As of today, I will not read the comments on this blog any more because most of them are just as racist and hateful as the comments whites believe Jeremiah Wright has made against them. Sean Hannity, Joe Scarborough, Tucker Carlson all offend me with their racist comments but I would never smear them or think they are extremists because they don't think and believe like me. And from the comments that have been posted on this log in the last week, we have a lot of Jeremiah Wrights that we all should be afraid of and they come in a variety of skin colors.

viva la capitalism said...

The "typical white person" comments were picked up nationally this afternoon. No way he wins a general election now. He's done, and it's all by his own doing.

Anonymous said...

Now begins the rebound of Americans who step back and say --- "wait a minute, Barack DID NOT SAY any of that - did he?" "No - he did not!"

Here is an excerpted example from today's NY TIMES:

Obama and Race
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Published: March 20, 2008

Barack Obama this week gave the best political speech since John Kennedy talked about his Catholicism in Houston in 1960, and it derived power from something most unusual in modern politics: an acknowledgment of complexity, nuance and legitimate grievances on many sides. It was not a sound bite, but a symphony.

But the furor over the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s inflammatory sermons shows that Mr. Obama erred in an earlier speech — the 2004 speech to the Democratic National Convention that catapulted him to fame.

In that speech, Mr. Obama declared that “there is not a black America and a white America... . There’s the United States of America.” That’s a beautiful aspiration, and we’re making progress toward it. But this last week has underscored that we’re not nearly there yet.

The outrage over sermons by Mr. Wright demonstrates how desperately we as a nation need the dialogue about race that Mr. Obama tried to start with his speech on Tuesday.

Many well-meaning Americans perceive Mr. Wright as fundamentally a hate-monger who preaches antagonism toward whites.

But those who know his church say that is an unrecognizable caricature: He is a complex figure and sometimes a reckless speaker, but one of his central messages is not anti-white hostility but black self-reliance.

“The big thing for Wright is hope,” said Martin Marty, one of America’s foremost theologians, who has known the Rev. Wright for 35 years and attended many of his services. “You hear ‘hope, hope, hope.’ Lots of ordinary people are there, and they’re there not to blast the whites. They’re there to get hope.”

Professor Marty said that as a white person, he sticks out in the largely black congregation but is always greeted with warmth and hospitality. “It’s not anti-white,” he said. “I don’t know anybody who’s white who walks out of there not feeling affirmed.”

***************
Now, once the haters and those hungry for a reason to hate have had their initial say, now that the first FLUSH of unthinking rhetoric has passed - the millions of us who believe that Obama represents a new beginning for our beloved country will remember how is was that we came to believe in this young American.

We will think about everything and conclude that Obama is not Wright -- and never was. Obama did not do a single thing wrong. Not One. He went to a famous Chicago Christian church. That's it. You might ask well ...why did he start going there --the key to that may be in who he was courting at the time.

Obama is like the most of us -- we've all heard the racist stuff in our lives --- often from a member of our family or someone at work, or out in the neighborhood --- and we try to be better than that racist rant or bigoted chant.

Obama offers a leadership to move us into a new era of honest, calm consideration of our country - as wonderful and imperfect as it is.

That is all he's ever offered. He said that he can't heal America - but that he can help start the process by not ducking and dodging the tough issues.

He said WE have to heal America. I think we can.

Meanwhile there are a lot of other things to do- as well. Bringing the stupid war to a successful close and shutting off the money spigot to the Middle East is where we can start.

I think that Obama gives us our best shot in many years at taking the progress we've made for several decades and helping us to build a more perfect union.

Anonymous said...

Dick - Make these asshole carpetbaggers go away!

Lonewolf - you don't have to post the same message 5 times. We got your point.

I think I'm going to have to stop reading these posts until after 4/22 - it's not a very productive use of time to read such nonsense.

johngilb

Anonymous said...

In old days "superdelegates" were called party bosses. Hillary's only hope.

All sides are going to recognize this pastor stuff for what it is someday - Swiftboat 2.0.

I'm convinced that the Muslim rumors will never die out at this point. Neither will all the questioning of Obama's patriotism. Middle America will never be convinced that not wearing a flag pin isn't a big deal.

Of course, never mind that's it's all complete BS. Hillary Clinton, for example, would rather eat a KFC bucket of her own shit rather than share a presidential ticket with Obama - but there she is, trying to con people into thinking that a vote for Hillary is a vote for both candidates. We're neck deep in campaign slime, and if we don't watch out, John McCain will be next president. Because no way Hillary beats McCain.

p-diddy said...

Adios! I'll be back on the board on 4/29 or so. It's pretty clear that the only intent of any of the carpetbaggers, such as Prasleep and Teenwolf is to perpetuate the pastor stuff. The mindlessness of this board has reached new heights. Obama's campaign is actually being derailed over a few fucking CHURCH SERMONS, that Obama didn't even necessarily hear! But I'm sure the scandal cycle will swing around to hit Hillary in her sagging ass at least one more time before the election is over.

Adios, comrades!

P.S. I'll be praying for you, Viva. My master Satan demands your soul!

yobill626 said...

McCain is doing better right now because his nomination is "in place". Obama's is not. Statistically, this has tended to happen (just like it will right after each Convention).

As screwed up as the Dems seem now, their voter turnout has been so huge that Obama would have to get washed out in a Tidal Wave.

Sorry GOP, but it doesn't look like its going to happen --- at least not just with this issue.

This is a legitamite problem that Obama has. He's handling it pretty well, but its not going away.

But compare that to McCain getting tied to the Bush anchor in the GE --- bad economy, neverending War, privacy issues, managerial incompetence, Bill of Rights ignorance (well, most of them anyway)...

Hell I can get Carpal Tunnel from just typing the list!

No matter what your background, the thing that most people are afraid of is being broke --- the Bush economy alone will sink McCain.


Viva

I've been busy paying my respects to Ivan Dixon. RIP, Kinchloe!

big brother snooping on Obama said...

(CNN) -- On three occasions since January, Sen. Barack Obama's passport file was looked at by three different contract workers, said State Department spokesman Sean McCormack.

The contractors accessed information in the file in an unauthorized way, he said.

Obama's campaign is asking for a complete investigation to find out who looked at Obama's passport file and why.

"This is an outrageous breach of security and privacy, even from an administration that has shown little regard for either over the last eight years," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton in a statement.

"Our government's duty is to protect the private information of the American people, not use it for political purposes."

viva la capitalism said...

yobill,

Thanks for news, albeit sad, that Kinch has died. I was going to give you thirty days in the cooluuuuuuuh, but in honor of Kinch I digress. RIP Ivan.



diddy,

That does it! You are now on my prayer list. Go buy a copy of Lee Strobel's "A Case for Christ" and read it on your trip. Have a safe trip.



Obama,

I think the "typical white person" remark was a major mistake. You will have a brilliant career as a lecturer or ambulance chaser, but I think you have swiftboated yourself out of the presidency.

Anonymous said...

viva la capitalism, 'the typical white person' enjoyed an ephemeral life and nationally died with the breach n the endorsement, so much 4 a wishful thinking. besides, if your capable of following a context of a one's speech, obama clearly meant a typical white person of his grandma's generation, which is more than an accurate observation.

viva la socialism!

Anonymous said...

dick-i quess i am your 'typical white person' blogger,this just proofs obama has a inner hatred to white people why i don't know,maybe he needs some therapy on his personal idendity,maybe he act one way to blacks and another way towards whites(i.e.church),i think it is sad that his campaign is falling apart,he had great promise,his fall is Hillary's gain.
posted by goddamn lonewolf

Anonymous said...

From the Inquirer:
More Democrats, fewer Republicans in Pennsylvania

Article is B.S. Like many Republicans, I'm changing my registration to Dem just to be able to vote in the primary for Hillary. I'll change back to Republican afterward and will vote for McCain. Hillary would be a bad president because she is 1) hard-core liberal and 2) dishonest. However, Obama would be a disaster because he is 1) a radical, 2) dishonest, and 3) would be a pansy and pushover on national security issues.

Anonymous said...

The Speech: A Brilliant Fraud

tom - wilmington, de said...

Did you hear about the Clinton surrogate working in the State Department who accessed Barack's passport files?

Boy, that Karl Rove really gets a lot of people to work for him.

Anonymous said...

dick-it looks like your blog is turning pro Hillary Clinton so please to all the obama carpetbaggers go to another source with your hurt feelings (p-piddy wipe your eyes and be a man).
posted by goddamn lonewolf

Anonymous said...

Have you dug deeper to put these media soundbites in perspective??!!! Please DO!!!!!

Rev. Wright's comments in context:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R...h? v=RvMbeVQj6Lw

Rev Wright was a member of the medical team who performed surgery on President Lincoln!!

http://truthabouttrinity.blogspot.com

So McCain's pastor comes form the same school of thought too?? Where is the hype on this??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I...h? v=IMaaDbGgsKA

Anonymous said...

Absolutely one of the BEST commentaries on this whole issue I've seen thus far. Dick you hit the nail on the proverbial head by expressing so clearly how many of us here on the main streets of this country feel in our guts. Mr. Obama's seeming inability to take a stand against his Reverand's perpetuation of a clearly unpatriotic message amongst his congregants and worse yet, the next generation sitting in his congregation, is clearly not showing leadership. Mr. Obama, with his inaction on this matter for 20 years, has simply thrown us all as a nation under the bus for his own political gains. And that is what really insults my intelligence as a voter and a U.S. patriot.

Anonymous said...

"Rev Wright was a member of the medical team who performed surgery on President Lincoln!!"

He was? Boy the man sure looks young for his age. LOL.

Anonymous said...

"if your capable of following a context of a one's speech, obama clearly meant a typical white person of his grandma's generation, which is more than an accurate observation."

Ah, but THAT is not what he said. He essentially called me and every other caucasion in this country "a typical white person" who's afraid to walk down the street and run into a "stranger" that we don't know and we automatically feel fear. It's been bred into us all you know, like we're all members of a huge herd of "typical white" sheep. Give me a break, he said it and we KNOW what he meant, whether it was an inadvertant "subconscious" gaffe or not.

Anonymous said...

It's not even so much what Obama HEARD from his pastor on any one, or more, occasions. It's what he BELIEVES. It's about what his theology is. As a minister, I think that one goes to the place of worship that most closely aligns with their own religious philosophy. Sort of the "birds of a feather" phenomena. I personally think Sen. Obama actually adheres to the philosphy espoused in his church --though perhaps to a lesser and certainly less vocal degree. I think a more moderate candidate would be better able to win for the Democrats in November. By the way, I'm a very well educated Democrat and know that not all well educated Democrats flocked to Sen. Obama as we have generally been protrayed to have done. I'm actually somewhat surprised that so many well educated Democrats were so blinded by the light of his charisma. Perhaps many of them are able to know to leave the room when the light has been turned off.

Anonymous said...

Most interesting ... it seems the most vile snippet attributed to Reverend Wright was actually a quote taken from a U.S. ambassador participating in a panel on Fox News ... if you have the courage of your convictions, listen to the entire segment now posted on YouTube (it will only take about five minutes of your precious time) and you will see that Reverend Wright did not opine that the "chickens have come home to roost" ... Ambassador Peck did! To tar and feather a person - any person - without finding out the facts is downright sad!

Bettie said...

Comparing Obama's politically-necessitated jive to any speech by Abraham Lincoln is so laughable as to be beneath comment. It was purely a Harvard Law Review straddle, and seems to have snowed the myopic liberal media, all of whom have gooey cheerleader crushes on Mr. O. If he wins the nomination because of super-delegate "typical white person" guilt, he will be stomped to a grease spot in the general. Fine with me. Cindy McCain will make an elegant First Lady, unlike Obama's loudmouthed America-hating consort.

Rick said...

Is Obama a racist? Turn this issue around to Clinton, or to any white politician. If we found out their pastor made anti-black, anti-american comments, the politician would be finished. There would be a definite guilt by association inferred. Hell the slightest intimation of white racism ends careers in the media. I guess the "third rail" in America only electrocutes whites. Quite a double standard.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I can waste time trying to explain that watching 45 seconds of hand-picked commentary from 3,000 hours and 25 years of sermons, then making judgment that it is representative is foolish and bizarre.

Or we can look at reality.

Florida isn't going to revote.

Michigan is not going to revote.

Hillary cannot catch up to Obama in pledged delegates.

And, in fear of Rodney King x 1000, and in fear of losing a massive future base of democratics voters, the superdelegates will not overturn the decision of the voters.

So here we are. Obama is the Democratic nominee.

And we have thousands of Republican back-room "gentlemen" snickering their proverbial asses off as they whisper "Huh... did it again".

A stubborn loyalty, although somewhat respected, is now dangerous. We cannot endure and allow four more years in Iraq and Afghanistan, and allow two new wars in Syria and Iran because our horse happened to come in second.

Please.

Kevin M. Nedd said...

Dick,

I happen to be a graduate of the university that supposedly cited you as one of our nation's top political reporters. I find this action disappointing because you obviously can't tell the difference between the words "incendiary" and "controversial".

During his "race" speech, Barack Obama stated he had heard "controversial" remarks while attending Rev. Wright's sermons. He did NOT say he had heard "incendiary" comments. One would think a seasoned political journalist could tell the difference. Having attended many a church sermon in my lifetime, I can recall many I would deem "controversial" but not "incendiary".

Next time you might want to try and build a hypothesis on something other than a weak misunderstood premise.

Trillium said...

In the Wright sermon about 9/11, the little snippet about chickens is Wright explicitly quoting from what Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan’s terrorism task force, said on FOX News. Wright makes very clear (if you listen the longer excerpt of the sermon) that he is profoundly distressed and saddened by the events of 9/11 and struggling, as a religious man, to interpret the event and to reflect on how our society should respond. He worries about how the slaughter of innocents on 9/11 may lead to more slaughter of other innocents.

See
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/
03/21/the-full-story-behind-rev-
jeremiah-wrights-911-sermon/

for the story on CNN and a link to the full sermon. Gives a very different impression of Wright.

Now I have not seen the full sermons with the other offending snippets, but certainly this sermon does not convey hatred of America at all.

Anonymous said...

http://truthabouttrinity.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

Good job twisting Thomas Hobbes unrelated observation to make your point.

Anonymous said...

OBAMA WILL BE JUDGED BY THE COMPANY HE KEEPS, JUST AS WE ALL ARE.

Kevin said...

Growing up catholic it took me years to separate from the catholic church because I did not believe in a number of their teachings. Some one does not just walk out of church because they don't like a few sermons in 20 years. That is the perspective people need to have on why Obama stayed in this church. A church is not only about its pastor either, it's about its congregation which had white members which people forget. Every one is taking a few minutes from thousands or sermons for the only thing the church stood for, this is narrow minded and wrong.

Anonymous said...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html

The story linked above by bacalove is absolutley pathetic... I can't believe that anyone actually believes this bs.

Steven B said...

Obama is not the "One," the Man From Hope nor the Messiah. Obama is not always and forever right. Obama is not going to magically win the general election. Obama will not lead America out of divisiveness or bigotry because of his policies or his bi-racial-ness. Obama is not going to erase liberal white guilt. Obama is not going to instantly answer all Africa-American inequality problems the minute he becomes President. Obama is not the most historic, intellectual and unique politician in the last 45 years. Obama will not help you find your lost keys. Obama is not "what we have been waiting for."

Obama is a young-in-experience politician from Chicago who was talked into running for President by long-standing democratic leaders in order to reinvigorate the Democratic base. While Obama might be headed in this direction, his past, his judgement and his current remarks and speeches are exactly things we should judge him by.

And, as of late, some very questionable information and statements by Obama demand citizens to investigate the reality of Obama further.

http://questionbarackobama.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

You need to re-read Obama's speech. There's a world of difference between the meaning of "incendiary" and "controversial". I think you owe it to your readers to get it right and not further fan the flames.

Scott said...

I will pray for

Forgiveness and Healing

of all my thoughts of hate

Go OBAMA
white liberal man

snoopy said...

This is such a clear-headed take on the issue...well done.